Minutes - 05/17/2004 - Plan CommissionMINUTES OF THE MAY 17, 2004 REGULAR MEETING
OF THE PLAN COMMISSION OF THE VILLAGE OF
OAK BROOK APPROVED AS AMENDED ON JUNE 21,
2004.
1. CALL TO ORDER: CALL TO ORDER
The Regular Meeting of the Plan Commission was called to order by
Chairwoman Payovich in the Samuel E. Dean Board Room of the Butler
Government Center at 7:32 p.m.
2. ROLL CALL: ROLL CALL
Gail Polanek called the roll with the following persons
PRESENT: Chairwoman Barbara Payovich, Members Paul Adrian, David
Braune, Surendra Goel, Jeffrey Bulin, Marcia Tropinski and
Gerald Wolin.
IN ATTENDANCE: Robert L. Kallien, Director of Community Development
and Dale L. Durfey, Village Engineer.
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: MINUTES
REGULAR PLAN COMMISSION MEETING OF APRIL 19, 2004
Motion by Member Wolin, seconded by Member Braune, to approve the
minutes of the April 19, 2004 Regular Plan Commission meeting as amended
and waive the full reading thereof. VOICE VOTE: Motion Carried
4. UNFINISHED BUSINESS UNFINISHED
BUSINESS
A. KANAN COURT SUBDIVISION - f/k/a MIDWEST COURT SUBDIVISION - KANAN COURT
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TO THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS OF THE SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS FINAL PLAT WITH
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Director of Community Development Kallien said that this matter was
continued to review some technical issues and comments raised in regards
to the trees, alignment and dimension of the street, bike path, and lighting.
Village Engineer Durfey has provided written comments and some issues
need to be discussed.
John Brechin, Attorney for the applicant reviewed the proposal. There is a
memorandum from Village Engineer Durfey dated May 13, 2004, which
noted that there are some open issues. Subsequent to that memo a meeting
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was held and all sides have agreed as to what revisions need to be made.
He summarized the issues the Plan Commission addressed at the last
meeting.
1. Bike Path. The bike path has been moved 20 feet west at the north
and south ends from where it was, and about 6 feet further west
from where it is today in the center of the property. The movement
of the bike path westward achieves a number of goals.
• It becomes a safer bike path because it is much further away
from Midwest Road pavement and right of way.
• It is believed that they have established very good site distance
for the people coming in and out of the subdivision and a
bicycle /pedestrian, so there should be minimal possibility of the
conflict between them. The path is somewhat curved, instead of
a straight line, which makes it more aesthetically pleasing.
2. Landscape plan. The plan has been revised after looking over the
draft tree preservation ordinance. The number of trees has been
enhanced and they have made a good faith effort, taking into effect
that it is not an ordinance yet.
3. Subdivision Gateway. The sign has been reoriented and are going
to make modifications to the cul -de -sac island at the request of the
Fire Department, so they have better maneuverability for their
largest equipment. The gate detail has been provided to the Village.
4. Easement. They initially intended to run the sewer line between
lots 1 and 2 south, to connect an existing sewer that is within the
Midwest Club court. To do so, they have to go over the north half
of vacated 33rd Street. They communicated with the owner of that
property because there is no easement over it, and they responded
that they have no desire to grant such an easement. Their alternate
plan now is to go down Midwest Road to the north line of Lot 160
in Midwest Club and proceed west to connect. There is an existing
10 -foot utility easement in that area, so that will be the method they
will use to connect to the property.
5. Waiver of Street Light. There are only 4 lots, and in reality the cul-
de -sac is a common driveway. They think the illumination
provided by the gateway features will be sufficient to identify the
opening for travelers. There is a precedent for not having a street
light. Heritage Oaks Subdivision does not have one. Brook Forest
entrance on Midwest Road also does not have a streetlight. The
streets in Brook Forest are public streets and are a much larger
subdivision. They believe what they are proposing is sufficient and
will preserve and maximize safety.
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Dr. Salt, President of the Midwest Club Subdivision said that no one was
informed of this issue until Friday, which is when they were advised that
the Plan Commission meeting was this evening.
Dr. Jain, 1708 Midwest Club Parkway, owner of the property known as
Lot 160 that the applicant is seeking to access. He asked why he was not
informed that they were going to be digging into his property until the
letter he received on May 14, 2004.
Village Engineer Durfey said that he notified the homeowner's president as
soon as he knew about it, to make it a public knowledge. Village Engineer
Durfey noted that he received the plans on May 11, 2004 and the letter was
sent out on May 13, 2004.
Dr. Jain said that before these plans were made, someone should have
come to talk to him, or questioned if it was a practice to just come in and
dig on someone's property.
Mr. Brechin responded that there is an easement for public utilities on Lot
160, which means that with a permit, a public utility can construct a public
utility in that area. The easement was established when the property was
platted, which should show up on Dr. Jain's plat of survey of the property.
It was just last week that they received final word from the owner of 3312
Midwest Road that they would not grant the easement. Only then were
they able to re- engineer the project. They recognize that the Village did
give notice to the property owner at the appropriate time. If the
arrangement was approved by the Village, they would be in further contact
with the property owner.
Dr. Jain said that the easement is still on his property and is part of
Midwest Club.
Dr. Sait that he said that he would like to bring this up to the board of the
Midwest Club and they need to discuss this with its attorney. Dr. Jain has
legal rights and it appears that they will be uprooting some hedges and
trees and none of this was given to them. All they received was a letter
stating they are planning to access the lot, but not told what it involved,
what was being dug, what was being moved and this was all done without
information being given to the Midwest Club Homeowner's Association or
to the owner of the property. Before any plans are approved, they are
requesting copies of whatever plans have been submitted to the Village be
given to the Association and to the owner, so they can go through them in
detail and see what is involved and then come back to this board to discuss
it.
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Director of Community Development Kallien said that this is a unique
situation where there are easements and when there are easements in place
there is an anticipation that the reason those easements are there are to
provide certain connections to utilities, access and drainage, whatever the
specific easement is for. In this particular case, the person that lives on
that lot was unaware that the easement existed, so there is a need to have
some discussion to make everyone aware.
Chairwoman Payovich said that it appears that a letter was sent from the
Village in a timely manner, based on when the revision was received from
the applicant. Unfortunately it was not enough time to come in and discuss
it. She asked Dr. Salt if he had called the Village Engineer when he
received the letter. Dr. Sait responded that Mr. Durfey called him on the
11th or 12th and he asked Mr. Durfey to send him a copy of the letter which
they received on Friday. Plans were not included and they have no idea
what is going to be done. The Midwest Club Homeowner Association
meeting is scheduled for May 25, 2004.
Member Adrian asked the applicant, if trees or hedges are removed on Lot
160, would they be responsible to make it whole.
Mr. Brechin responded that it is their responsibility to restore the property.
He said that any plantings in an easement are in jeopardy. There is no right
to plant within an easement. They will do what they can to restore the
property so that the property owner and Village are happy.
Mr. Brechin said that the owner should have received notice of the initial
hearing, since they live within 250 -feet of the property.
Member Braune noted that Dr. Jain's name appears on the list of the
surrounding property owners in the case file. He may have received notice
when the initial proceedings had taken place, which is part of the process.
Gail Polanek, Community Development Department, responded that a
mailing label is provided for each property owner within 250 -feet as well
as to all of the Homeowner's Associations. All were mailed by regular
mail and a copy of the letter sent was dated April 14, 2004, a copy of
which is in the case file. Dr. Sait and Dr. Jain said that they did not receive
those letters.
Member Goel said whether or not a letter was received, the owner of the
adjoining property should be kept well informed by the developer of the
proposed development as to what is going on the property.
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Member Wolin agreed and said that it is one thing to get a letter about a
new subdivision and it is another to be told they are going to be digging up
your property. He asked if the new subdivision has the legal right to use
the easement. He would like the Village Attorney to advise the
Commission on that issue. He would highly recommend the matter be
continued until things are clarified with the Midwest Club.
Chairwoman Payovich agreed that it would be a good idea to give Midwest
Club time to review this at their upcoming meeting. The Plan Commission
tries to be fair to the applicants and to the residents of the Village.
There was a discussion as to continuing or concluding this matter at this
meeting. It was decided to continue on with the review.
Member Wolin said that he would like to know if the applicant has pursued
all other alternatives.
Chairwoman Payovich asked Village Engineer Durfey if he is aware of any
other alternatives than the ones presented this evening. He responded that
he does not have a listing of the Hinsdale Sanitary District easements
throughout the Village.
Mr. Brechin said that the only other alternative would be for the Village to
agree to condemn the easement over the north half of vacated 33`d Street
which could take anywhere from 30 days to 2 years, which is not either
cost or time effective. There is no doubt that there is a public utility
easement, which they have a right to use. They recognize their obligation
as neighbors to satisfy as best they can the needs and desires of the
property owner, but there is no question that it is a public utility easement
that they have a right to use.
Mr. Mehul Shah, applicant and President of Kanan Construction said that
he understands Mr. Jain's concern and he would feel the same way. They
did try to work out an easement agreement with the adjoining neighbor at
3312 Midwest Road and he kept them stringing along until the last minute
and were finally told that they are not interested. When his team advised
him that the sewer would have to go through the Midwest Club, he said
that they should be contacted by letter. He said that harmony and positive
energy are very important and it is very fair that the Midwest Club review
the matter at their meeting. If a special meeting is possible he would be
obliged, but if not so be it. His people will attend the Midwest Club
meeting and if permission is granted to go through the easement they will
make sure that it is addressed properly so that the landscaping will look as
it is or better.
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Member Goel said that he believes that these four lots will be one of the
most beautiful subdivisions of Oak Brook and thrilled that it is coming,
however, he is not persuaded that 7 trees really need to be removed. If the
subdivision entrance is moved to the north end of the lot he believes most
of the trees could be saved.
Director of Community Development Kallien said that he reviewed the
concept plan. In working on our tree preservation language the applicant
has said that they would. There is a stark reality when someone proposes a
subdivision of land there are some very basic factors that one must meet to
get approval. Those factors are that all of the lots meet the minimum lot
size, have adequate utilities, access and so forth provided at the site.
Chairwoman Payovich noted that it appears that the applicant is attempting
to make an effort to go along with the theory of the proposed tree
preservation ordinance.
Director of Community Development Kallien added that there is only so
far that we can go with the tree issue without regulation. We need to keep
that in mind. We have trees and are trying to maintain as many as
possible, and this is one alternative that is out there. The Plan Commission
has worked the proposed ordinance on, but it will also go to the Zoning
Board of Appeals for public hearing, which will allow all interested parties
to comment. It will then go to the Village Board to adopt it and we do not
know in fact when, or if it will occur. The applicant has committed to try
to meet the intent of the proposed language and to retain whatever trees
they can and to replant.
Member Goel asked if the discussion was out of bounds. Director of
Community Development Kallien responded that it is not, and the
Commission is welcome to put the scenario forward, but he needed to relay
that information.
Mr. Brechin said that the driveway is located where it is at for safety.
Relocation of that drive anywhere else is going to mean that there will be a
less safe entrance. The proposed drive is located at the highest point in
Midwest Road in that area so that the site distance is maximized. It is a
fallacy to say that moving the location of the driveway will save trees. The
trees are being removed due to the County requirement that the retaining
wall be removed and because of the grades the trees are in jeopardy and
would probably not live. They want to maximize safety and they
regrettably lose trees. So the solution is to replace as many trees as they
can above and beyond what the ordinance requires, which is an expression
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of good faith and good planning. The orientation of the lots with the
driveway in the center is aesthetically pleasing and is good planning. Any
other driveway orientation would be as good planning.
Chairwoman Payovich asked how the location of the driveway determined
to be the safest access.
Mr. Brechin responded that the highest point in the roadway gives the
maximum site distance, which provides the most safety; therefore this is
the optimum location for the driveway. Village Engineer Durfey agreed.
Member Goel agreed that the highest point is where the access is located;
however, Midwest Road is fairly flat along that entire area. Village
Engineer Durfey responded that Mr. Brechin's comment was correct where
the proposed position for the proposed driveway is at the apex of the
curvature of the roadway. It slopes down and to the north and to the south,
but the middle of the lot is the high point.
John Greene, Engineering Resource commented that the centerline of the
new cul -de -sac court is proposed at the high point of Midwest Road. There
is approximately two feet of fall off from their road to the north lot line and
three feet of fall off from the proposed road to the south property line.
Based on the speed limit on Midwest Road there are certain safe stopping
distance requirements that are published by IDOT and that the County has
adopted. A certain amount of feet is required for the speed limit. If the
entrance was not located right at the high point, if it was skewed even 100
feet in either direction, the crown on Midwest Road would restrict an
oncoming driver from seeing a car entering or leaving Midwest Road.
He also commented that the plan before the Commission has four lots that
are just about 25,000 square feet with only about 100 feet of roadway
involved.
Member Bulin said that he believes that the proposal is the appropriate
solution for 4 lots on this property to meet the R -3 zoning, considering all
the safety issues.
Member Braune commented that he has driven by the property a number
of times and his initial reaction that if the retaining wall goes, the trees are
lost anyway. Since the County has required that the retaining be removed
the trees would not survive the construction process, so the issue of safety
and access is moot.
Member Goel questioned if the County wants the retaining wall removed
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even if the entrance is not there, or is the wall required to be removed
because of the proposed location of the entrance? If the area would not be
touched, why would the County require its removal?
Mr. Brechin said that they do not understand either. The County said that
the retaining wall must go regardless of where the entrance is because they
do not want a retaining wall in their right of way. Whether that is good or
bad planning that is the County's directive and they have to follow it.
They approached the County more than once and were given the same
answer, and once the wall comes out the trees are in jeopardy and their
likelihood of successful living is minimal.
Chairwoman asked for a consensus of the Commission to accept the plan
as proposed on this issue. The members agreed.
#2 Waiving street lights
Member Wolin questioned the lighting on the gate.
Dave Gumm, Walsh Landscape, noted that they have added two more light
standards out close to the property line on both sides located on the north
and south side across from the sign area. The lights would add additional
illumination in the area. There is one light pole in the middle of the cul-
de -sac so that there are three lights in the entrance area.
Member Wolin asked Village Engineer Durfey, if a street light were
required, where would it be located.
Village Engineer Durfey responded that the best location for a street light
would be at the top of the T of the intersection which would is on the east
side of the street, opposite the road, a secondary consideration could be on
the west side in one of the corners on a diagonal facing the intersection.
Member Payovich asked what kind of street light would be recommended
for that area. Village Engineer Durfey responded the typical shoe box
style.
Member Payovich asked if there are alternative. Village Engineer Durfey
responded that the shoebox style has been the standard as far as cost
factors, inventory, etc.
Mr. Brechin said their concern is that a streetlight may attract traffic that
they do not want to attract. It is a question of how much light is enough in
order to maximize safety and yet preserve privacy. It is not an intersection
of two public streets with 20 -40 lots in the subdivision. They do not see
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the need for the type of lighting improvement that the ordinance would
require under a traditional subdivision scenario.
Member Bulin responded that he accepts that argument and accepts it
because he believes that enough lighting is being provided, but he is
deferring this to the Village Engineer in regards to safety issues. Member
Tropinski, agreed, and said that it seems like adequate lighting is provided
and would be aesthetically pleasing; and it appears to be far more than
what some of the other subdivisions have. The two pole lights, plus the
light on the sign should be reasonable.
Member Braune said that his concern is installing the light on the east site
of the street and what impact it might have on Trinity Lakes. In another
forum, a light was installed, and then flooded a neighbor's house with
light. It was meant for safety and lit up everything around it. Village
Engineer Durfey said that it is very easy to put a shield to stop light from
going backwards. Many of the lights in York Words have a backside
house shield so that it is not light behind the light.
Member Adrian said that he also thinks that it is adequate regarding the
lighting, but defers to the Village Engineer recommendation.
Village Engineer Durfey responded that the Village regulations require a
street lighting system, which is typically waived except at intersections.
He added that he tries to err on the side of caution, and if someone would
be unfamiliar with the area, he said that he would find it easier to find a lit
intersection as a guide point.
Member Braune asked if there were any other lights in the vicinity besides
at 31s' and 35th Street. Village Engineer Durfey responded there were not.
Mr. Brechin said that they just do not believe that a traditional street light
is necessary, and it would detract from the aesthetics of the subdivision.
The type of lights they are proposing will not only look good, but would
function well.
Chairwoman Payovich said that she tends to err on the side of caution also
but based on what the Commission landscape architects are saying, there
will be light that will allow people to identify the entrance to the
subdivision.
Member Goel said that the Village Engineer must follow the regulations
and he is doing it right, but the Commission has the professional opinion of
two architects on their board that should also be respected. It is not a
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typical intersection so the lighting they are proposing seems to be very
adequate.
Member Braune said that since the trees will be removed, the 14 foot lights
will be visible. He would not prefer to dirty the area with a big light bulb.
All other members agreed.
The street lights are recommended to be waived
#3 Storm sewer system
Mr. Brechin said that the maintenance responsibility of the storm sewer
system will be covered in covenants along with the roadway and other
common elements.
#4 Fire Department Access.
Village Engineer Durfey said they had a meeting with the applicant's
engineer about reducing the cul -de -sac bubble a couple of feet and putting
the gate posts back behind the curb a couple of feet. The Fire Chief
seemed to be okay with the concept, although he would have to see the
actual plans with his equipment, but it looks like that is the right direction.
Chairman Payovich said that this issue would be one that staff would sign
off on as it proceeds.
#5 Subdivision Gateway plans
Village Engineer Durfey said that he has been told they have taken the
walls out of the plans, and there will just be a fence across the frontage,
which makes the problem disappear.
Mr. Brechin responded that the offending feature was the wall that
exceeded the height permissible. They are staying with a 42 -inch metal
fencing, which is in compliance with the regulations.
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Member Wolin asked for clarification to this issue because Village
Engineer Durfey's memo states "15 trees are proposed to be planted as
close as 22 -feet which is an extremely close configuration that should not
be permitted." However, then it states that "The Subdivision code states
that trees should not be placed more than 40 -feet apart" and then it states
"the Public Work Standards states that trees should be planted 40 -feet
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apart." They do not all tie together.
Member Bulin said that he understands that Public Works would find it
easy to maintain 40 -foot spacing, but the trees would never grow that big
in our lifetime. Even the City of Chicago has adopted 25 -foot spacing. He
believes the 22 -foot spacing proposed is fine. He suggested that larger
caliper trees be used.
Village Engineer Durfey said that he had discussed this issue with Public
Works Director Meranda and he had suggested a letter from the landscape
architect regarding the spacing of the species.
#7 Construction Schedule — Standard procedure
#8 Bike Path -
Member Adrian asked what kind of material would be used for the bike
path in front of the subdivision. Mr. Brechin said that they would maintain
the asphalt surface.
Mr. Shah said that it would be stamped asphalt that would be aesthetically
pleasing.
49 Waiving the requirement for sidewalks in exchange for the developer
relocating existing pathway.
Mr. Brechin said that if sidewalks were required they would ring around
the cul -de -sac, it does not seem appropriate for such a small development
and would detract from the aesthetics, and the location of the bike path
eliminates the need for sidewalks.
#10 Storm sewer stubs and sump pump drainage.
Village Engineer Durfey said that because the subdivision is so small it
does not require detention. Therefore there is no detention basin and no
storm sewers needed to catch the sump pumps. With the more ecological
thinking these days, sump pump and down spout drainage is the best
management practice if it discharges out onto the grass and has a chance to
percolate into the ground verses getting into a pipe and whisking it away so
that it can flood someone downstream. It is a reasonable request.
#11 Midwest Club Easement
Chairwoman Payovich said that the recommendation was to provide plans
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to the Midwest Club and Mr. Jain. The applicant will meet with them at
the Homeowners Association meeting on May 25, 2004.
Member Wolin said that he would like it checked out to see if there are
other alternatives. Director of Community Development Kallien said that
he and Village Engineer Durfey would look into it.
Member Braune noted that it was also requested that the Village Attorney
review the easement issue.
Dates were reviewed for a special meeting.
Chairwoman Payovich asked if the Village Engineer had received any
comments back from Public Works regarding any issues. Village Engineer
Durfey said that he had not received a response back, but would think not.
Member Payovich asked if a more developed landscaped plan could be
prepared. Mr. Brechin said that the plans will note the spacing, size, and
the number of the varieties included. The members agreed that they would
like to see revised plans prior to making a recommendation to the Village
Board.
Chairwoman Payovich asked that the following items be submitted for
review at the next meeting.
1. Landscape plan that will show the trees to be removed and location of
the replacement trees with consideration of the proposed tree
preservation plan.
Motion by Member Wolin, seconded by Member Goel, that the hearing on
the Midwest Court Subdivision be continued to a Special Plan Commission
meeting that is to be scheduled. VOICE VOTE. Motion Carried.
5. NEW BUSINESS
NEW BUSINESS
5. A. OAK BROOK PARK DISTRICT — SPECIAL USE — TITLE 13 OF THE OAK BROOK PARK
DISTRICT —
VILLAGE CODE — ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 13- 12 -7A.2 — SPECIAL USE -
AMEND SPECIAL USE TO INCLUDE SPLASH PARK /PAD AND SPLASH PARK/PAD
and PLAYGROUND
PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT EQUIPMENT
Tom Suhs Director of Parks and Recreation for the Oak Brook Park
District reviewed the request. They are seeking to add a splash pad to the
Family Recreation Center. The splash pad is a bowl surface area that does
not hold water in any manner. It is augmented with a lot of spray and
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water toy applications. There are various sprays that are activated by the
children. There is a rubberized surface that is dished out so the water is not
held and is recycled through the drain. The second aspect of the request is
to create some additional playground space. There is currently a
playground in existence and they will be expanding the equipment.
The request is in response to some requests and needs. The splash pad is
directed toward the use by children, but there is no problem with adults in
the area. The whole component is designed for children from 3 to 12 years
old. The area will also be accessible to the handicapped. It will be outside
and the usage would be in conjunction with the Family Aquatic Center.
The splash/pad component will be entirely fenced in and the only access
would be through the existing doors on the sun deck and will be part of the
Family Aquatic Center. The playground is in an open area.
They have already received permission from the Village to relocate the
current existing service drives that go around the facility. They are also
relocating a small portion of the bike path. The operation of the facility
will be in compliance with the hours of the Aquatic Center, which closes at
8 p.m. and 4 p.m. on the weekends. It is totally driven by weather. It is
located on the south side of the facility.
Member Bulin said that the landscape plan submitted does not reflect the
number of trees in the visual provided by the Park District at this meeting.
Mr. Suhs said that the area is heavily vegetated and they will augment it as
much as possible to create a buffer zone. There are a number of shade
areas and cabanas in the area and there is access to the indoors for those
seeking shade.
Member Braune asked if there was a high usage of water.
Laura Evans, Aquatic Center Manager responded that the water goes down
the drain, through a filter and is recirculated.
Mr. Suhs added that they want to maximize the use of the water as much as
possible.
Ernie Karras, 75 Forest Gate Circle, said that the Forest Gate Homeowners
Association has some concern that the lighting of the facility is done in
such a manner that it will not be facing the Subdivision. The fact sheet
they received from the Park District referenced that the lighting would be
turned off when the facility closes. They want to ensure that the lights
would not glare into the homes.
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Mr. Suhs said that there are lights that are used as security lights. They are
going to augment those in terms of wattage. There will be some lighting
on poles, but they will be facing the splash pad area. There is no intention
of lighting the playground area. He added that the poles would not be
more than 20 feet. The mature trees are over 30 feet high.
Chairwoman Payovich said that if necessary, back shields should be added
to the lights to reduce any spillover.
Director of Community Development Kallien said that it would be
appropriate to add a condition that the source of the light be properly
shielded.
Mr. Karras said that the fact sheet also noted that the music played outside
would not be as loud as Route 83 traffic. A number of the homeowners
asked what that means.
Mr. Suhs said that he is not sure that they are going to have any music, but
if they do add speakers, they would be directed toward the facility alone.
Member Adrian asked if there is a decibel level that could be attached to
the conditions.
Mr. Karras said that normal conversations are between 40 -50 decibels and
an extremely loud voice is around 70 decibels. That is the range of a
human voice, which is between 40 -70 decibels
Director of Community Development Kallien reviewed the Code and the
maximum that is allowed is 72 decibels.
Member Braune said that said the Forest Preserve District provided some
information in their application regarding sound levels.
Director of Community Development Kallien said that we could provide
the sound provisions that were included for the Mayslake outdoor events.
A copy of the Ordinance will be brought to the Zoning Board meeting.
Motion by Member Wolin, seconded by Member Adrian to recommend
approval of the request from the Oak Brook Park District to amend their
special use for the property located at 1450 Forest Gate Road to permit the
construction of 4800 square foot splash park/pad and additional
recreational equipment south of the Family Recreation Center. In making
this recommendation, the Commission finds that:
1. The Oak Brook Park District property is zoned CR Conservation
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Recreation and is currently improved with a number of uses for the
recreational benefit of the Oak Brook community.
2. The Plan Commission has previously reviewed and recommended
approval of a special use and amendments in order to permit the
construction of the Family Recreation Center and recent additions.
3. The applicant has met with representatives of the Forest Gate
Subdivision on the planned improvements to the property.
4. The proposed amendment to the special use is deemed reasonable
and does not jeopardize the public health, safety or general welfare
of any party.
The recommendation is subject to the following conditions:
1. The source of light is to be properly shielded from the adjacent
residential property.
2. It is recommended that Staff forward the existing sound level
information contained in the Mayslake special use and be possibly
incorporated into the Zoning Board of Appeals recommendation.
ROLL CALL VOTE:
Ayes: 7 — Members Adrian, Braune, Bulin, Goel, Tropinski, Wolin and
Chairwoman Payovich
Nays: 0 — None.
Absent: 0 — None. Motion Carried
5. C. VILLAGE OF OAK BROOK — ZONING ORDNANCE REVIEW VOB -TEXT
AMENDMENT-
PROJECT — TEXT AMENDMENT — TITLE 13 OF THE VILLAGE TREE
CODE — ZONING ORDINANCE — ADD CHAPTER 15 — TREE PRESERVATION
REGULATIONS
PRESERVATION REGULATIONS
Director of Community Development Kallien said that he incorporated the
comments raised at the last meeting into the revised text. Copies of the
draft have been given to the village staff. Village Engineer Durfey has
provided some comments to revise some on the text to make it a little
clearer.
There was a brief discussion on drip line.
The next logical step is to send the proposed draft to the homeowner
associations to get their input and provide those comments for he public
hearing process.
The members discussed the proposed draft and the consensus was that the
draft accomplished what the Plan Commission intended. It was agreed that
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the draft should be sent out to the homeowners association for their input
and then go forward to the Zoning Board of Appeals at their August
meeting.
Mr. Joseph Perri, 137 Saddle Brook Drive, commented on concerns
regarding the effect on trees when redeveloping existing parcels.
Motion by Member Wolin, seconded by Member Adrian to forward the
proposed Draft Tree Preservation Regulations for review and comment by
the Homeowners associations and then forward the Draft and comments to
the Zoning Board of Appeals at its meeting on August 3, 2004. ROLL
CALL VOTE:
Ayes: 7 — Members Adrian, Braune, Bulin, Goel, Tropinski, Wolin and
Chairwoman Payovich
Nays: 0 — None.
Absent: 0 — None. Motion Carried
D. VILLAGE OF OAK BROOK — REVIEW PROJECT — PLANNED UNIT VOB - REVIE w
PROJECT - PUD
DEVELOPMENTS (PUD)
Motion by Member Braune, seconded by Member Bulin to continue the
hearing on the Village of Oak Brook — Review Project — Planned Unit
Developments (PUD) to the next regular Plan Commission meeting
scheduled for June 21, 2004. VOICE VOTE: Motion carried.
OTHER BUSINESS
ADJOURNMENT:
Motion by Member Adrian, seconded by Member Wolin to adjourn the meeting
at 9:41 p.m.
ATTEST:
Robert Kallien, Director Community Development
Secretary r
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