Minutes - 11/05/2013 - Zoning Board of Appeals MINUTES OF TIIE NOVEMBER 5, 2013 REGULAR
MEETING OF THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS OF
THE VILLAGE OF OAK BROOK APPROVED AS
WRITTEN ON APRIL 1,2014
1. CALL TO ORDER: CALL TO ORDER
The Meeting of the Zoning Board of Appeals was called to order by Chairman
Champ Davis in the Samuel E. Dean Board Room of the Butler Government
Center at 7:04 p.m.
2. ROLL CALL: ROLL CALL
Gail Polanek called the roll with the following persons
PRESENT: Members Jeffrey Bulin, Natalie Cappetta, Baker Nimry, Alfred
Savino, Steven Young Wayne Ziemer and Chairman Champ
Davis
IN ATTENDANCE: Mark Moy, Trustee and Robert Kallien, Jr., Director of
Community Development
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: MINUTES
Motion by Member Young, seconded by Member Ziemer to approve the
minutes of the October 1, 2013 Regular Zoning Board of Appeals meeting as
written. VOICE VOTE: Motion carried.
4. UNFINISHED BUSINESS BUSINIS
BUSINESS
Unfinished Business was moved to after New Business on the agenda.
5. NEW BUSINESS NEW BUSINESS
A. PERRY'S STEAKHOUSE — 5 OAKBROOK CENTER — SPECIAL USE o RRY'S K- 5
—OUTDOOR DINING AREA ADJACENT TO A RESTAURANT OUTDOOR
DINING AREA
Chairman Davis announced the public hearing and reviewed the request. All
witnesses were sworn in.
Majdi Hijazin,Attorney for Perry's Steakhouse, LLC,introduced the following,
David Freeman, Director of Operations of Perry's Steakhouse, David
Kastendieck, Project Architect, Identity Architects and Chuck Fleming, General
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Manager, Oakbrook Shopping Center.
Mr. Hijazin reviewed the history and background of the request. This would be
their first location in Illinois. They own nine popular restaurants in Texas and
the tenth is scheduled to open in Oak Brook in November. They are also
planning to open another restaurant in Denver, Colorado next year. Perry's has
received numerous awards, including the best new restaurant in 2010 by the
Dallas Morning News and rated excellent by Zagat magazine. They are seeking
to bring a similar dining experience to Oak Brook. The owners of the
Oakbrook Center support the request as well as area tenants, including Old
Town Pour House that is adjacent to Perry's. The Plan Commission
recommended reviewed the request at its October meeting and recommended
approval unanimously.
He reviewed the operation and conditions proposed for the outdoor dining area
as follows:
1. The outdoor dining area will be 582 square feet with no more than 20
seats provided.
2. The barrier system will be custom made with concealed bollards,
concrete planters, steel railings and will be similar in design with the
interior finishes found within the restaurant. A permanent concrete
block wall with a stone finish will be provided. It will meet or exceed
the barricade standards required by the Village.
3. The 3-foot wide emergency egress gate will open out only.
4. The patio will contain a 3-foot ribbon gas fireplace with an access panel
underneath through which the fireplace connects to a main gas line.
There will also be an emergency disconnect lever.
5. There will be no signage or barriers placed in the outdoor patio.
6. The restaurant will be responsible for maintaining and cleaning the
outdoor area and shall comply with all applicable requirements of the
DuPage County Health Department.
7. A minimum 9-foot wide sidewalk will be located adjacent to the
outdoor dining area and will be maintained at all times.
8. No live music, dancing or other outdoor entertainment will be permitted
with the exception of background music through outside speakers that
complies with the Village of Oak Brook sound standards and the
Oakbrook Center tenant requirements.
9. Access to the outdoor dining area will be through the restaurant only.
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10. Planters will be watertight with internal drainage to allow greenery and
flowers.
11. The biggest issue is safety, which has been addressed. As part of the
special use petition, the outdoor dining area and the planter barriers
would be constructed as submitted on the plans as approved.
12. The outdoor dining area will be operated as submitted above.
Special Use Factors
Mr. Hijazin reviewed the special use standards as follows:
1. Is of the type described in subsection Al of this Section, is deemed
necessary for the public convenience at that location;
RESPONSE: Per the Village of Oak Brook this was not applicable
2. Is so designed, located and proposed to be operated that the public health,
safety and welfare will be protected;
RESPONSE: The dining area will be in substantial accordance to the floor
plans as submitted and as part of the special use petition. The perimeter
planter/barrier will be constructed in accordance with the plans submitted. The
dining area will be operated in accordance with the rules of operations and as
verbally addressed.
3. Would not cause substantial injury to the value of other property in the
neighborhood in which it is located.
RESPONSE: He noted that the request had gar=nered the support from the
surrounding area tenants as well as the Oakbrook Center.
Chairman Davis noted that the Plan Commission voted 5 to 0 to recommend
approval subject to conditions and the petitioner agreed to those conditions.
Member Savino questioned why the first standard was not applicable.
Director of Community Development Kallien responded that the uses operated
by public agency or publicly-regulated utilities, or uses traditionally affected
with a public interest, would be for a much larger area and not on private
property.
Member Bulin questioned the number of outdoor seats and noted that more than
20 seats were shown on the plan.
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Pit
Mr. Kastendieck responded that a bench had been taken out by the exit and no
longer exists.
Member Bulin noted that with the bench removed there could still be 22 seats.
Chairman Davis noted that the request was for 20 seats.
The members discussed the possible number of seats that would be allowed per
the plans submitted. Although the Plan Commission approved 20 seats, the
approved plan actually showed more. It was agreed that they would
recommend support for additional seats providing they meet the building code.
Chairman Davis questioned whether they would like to modify the request to
allow the additional seats.
Mr. Hijazin agreed, providing it did not affect the recommendation from the
Plan Commission.
Director of Community Development Kallien responded that the layout is in
substantial conformance to the plans recommended for approval by the Plan
Commission. At this hearing, a closer counting of the actual number of
potential seats were noted and would not be objectionable if it was left at 20 or
more as counted.
Chairman Davis added that the only change to the Plan Commission
recommendation would be to increase the maximum seating capacity.
Member Ziemer reviewed the numbers and with the one table removed, there
would be 22 seats.
Mr. Kastendieck noted that the bench as shown on the plans had to be removed
during construction per the building inspector due to building code
requirements for the exit.
Member'Bulin noted that the plan did not reflect the changes made.
Mr. Kastendieck committed to providing a revised plan showing the 22 seats
prior to the Village Board meeting.
No one from the audience spoke in support of or in opposition to the request.
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Motion by Member Young, seconded by Member. Nimry that the applicant had
satisfied the requirements for a special use for an outdoor dining area and to
recommend approval of the request subject to meeting the following
conditions:
1 The development of the outdoor dining area shall be in substantial
conformance with the revised plans to be submitted to the Village
Board as approved.
2. The restaurant will be responsible for maintaining and cleaning the
outdoor area and comply with all applicable requirements of the
DuPage County Health Department.
3. The outdoor dining area will be operated in accordance with the
following rules of operation;
a. A maximum seating capacity for 22 patrons may be provided in the
outdoor dining area.
b. No live music, dancing or other outdoor entertaimnent will be
permitted with the exception of several outdoor speakers that will
be located in the outdoor dining area.
4. Comply with all other applicable rules and ordinances of the Village of
Oak Brook.
5. Add the provision"Notwithstanding the attached exhibits,the applicant
shall meet all Village Ordinance requirements at the time of building
permit application except as specifically varied or waived."
ROLL CALL VOTE
Ayes: 7 — Members Bulin, Cappetta, Nimry, Savino, Young, Ziemer and
Chairman Davis
Nays: 0
Absent: 0— Motion carried.
4 A. VILLAGE OF OAK BROOK — TEXT AMENDMENT — FENCE vos - TEXT
AMENDMENT -
REGULATIONS rr:xcr:
REGULATIONS
Chairman Davis swore in Director of Community Development Kallien.
Director of Community Development Kallien noted that fences are historically
sacred. Some subdivisions do not allow them, except around swimming pools,
some allow them with restrictions and fences are widely accepted in others.
The direction of the Village Board was to review increasing the maximum
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height of fences from 42 to 48 inches and to maintain the 50 percent open. The
Plan Commission ultimately gave a recommendation to increase the height to
48 inches. They also reviewed a proposed clarification of the text for fencing in
the Code. The fence regulations are bare, relative to the intent. They were
tailored around the 42-inch height and 50 percent open. There were no other
attributes regarding fences. On pages 28-28.a of the case file recommends
options to maintain the current height or increase the height, and the review of
the proposed amendments provided by staff.
Chairman Davis asked what the original recommendation was from the Village
Board, and what prompted it.
Director of Community Development Kallien reviewed the background
regarding the approved 48-inch fence height variations for the Grane's and
Pridmore's in the Forest Glen Subdivision. During the course of the Village
Board discussion, and knowing that the Village requires a minimum 48-inch
height fence around swimming pools, a couple of Trustees thought that the
issue should be reviewed, since the original 42-inch height rules were adopted
in the first zoning ordinance back in 1966.
Dr. Moy explained why the Village Board referred the review of the fence
regulations to the Plan Commission and Zoning Board. As an example, that if
you went to Home Depot, the industry standard is 48 inches. The next question
came up as to why the Village would make it more difficult for the citizens of
Oak Brook by limiting them to 42-inch high fences, when in every case they
would need to have the fence custom made. They discussed that if the industry
standard was 48-inches we should consider the change to make it easier on the
citizens of Oak Brook, which was the only rationale in bringing this up. There
was no intention of opening a Pandora's box of whether or not to have fences.
The only concern of the Village Board was to.make it easier on the citizens.
They saw the fence issue as that subdivision covenants are under the control of
the homeowner associations because they determine/restrict where fences go,
etc. unlike the broad use of the Code of the Village. There was never an
intention to interfere with homeowner association presidents and their
associations governing of the fence issue. The only thought was to make it
easier for the citizens if they wanted a fence.
Director of Community Development Kallien said that in reviewing the codes
of other similar communities, wealthy suburbs that have larger open spaces and
it was found that Oak Brook still has literally the most stringent restrictive
fence regulations around. Chain link fences are not allowed for the most part, so
the majority of fences are expensive wrought iron and many are integrated with
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very expensive pillars, ornamental features and lights, which are wrapped into
the driveway gates. Many times the permit for the fence and driveway gates is
valued at more than most houses are in other suburbs. For many properties
fences are a big deal. Some subdivisions, such as Trinity Lakes and Forest
Glen for example do not look at things in that way. So when people buy into
those subdivisions they agree as part of their closing documents that they will
adhere to the subdivision covenants. Some of Oak Brook has subdivisions with
formal covenants and other parts of Oak Brook are not in subdivisions with
formal covenants. We are trying to create regulations that apply to subdivisions
or properties that do not have covenants.
Member Nimry noted that a subdivision without covenants has nothing to
enforce. He said that friction is created when a homeowner obtains a permit
for a fence from the village. The subdivision covenants override the permit.
He did not have a problem with that if the Village went along with it. He said
that his problem was that fence permits would not be issued to those
subdivisions and to figure out something that would protect the homeowner
associations. He said many subdivisions have those covenants.
Member Savino questioned if the Village checks to see if there is a
homeowner's association when a permit is submitted.
Director of Community Development Kallien responded that for all types of
exterior permits, the Village requires written communication from the
association. The problem is that if the subdivision denies the request, they deny
it based upon its individual covenants, but if it meets the Village requirements
in the Zoning Ordinance, we have been advised by the Village attorneys that
the Village is bound to issue the permit, but that does not happen often.
Member Nimry agreed that Trinity Lakes provides a letter for exterior approval
and the communication with the Village is wide open.
Member Savino said that if the Village communicates to the homeowner
association that a permit has been issued, the homeowner can be warned before
they install a fence.
Member Nimry said that once the property owner has a permit they do not care
what the association says.
Director-of Community Development Kallien said that it is costly to enforce the
covenants.
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Member Savino said that this has been a situation since the very beginning of
the Village.
Chairman Davis questioned how often the situation occurs.
Director of Community Development Kallien responded that it did not happen
often, but it could happen and has happened.
Gail Polanek, Planning Technician noted that when speaking to residents in
person and on the telephone, when someone is looking at buying a home or
asking about installing a fence or other change to the property, the first thing
they are told is to contact the homeowner association to advise them what they
plan to do because the association would provide the Village with a letter with
its approval. A few have questioned what would happen if the homeowner
association does not approve the request; and in response Village staff advises
that if it came down to that, which it rarely does, the permit could be issued, but
if they tried to construct it, the homeowner association would be in a position to
sue them to remove it because they were advised when they bought their
property in the particular subdivision and agreed to those covenants.
Director of Community Development Kallien added that when people are
looking at homes in Oak Brook they ask whether or not they can put up a fence
or a coach house or driveway gates, etc. and they are advised to contact the
homeowner associations. The Village tries its best, upfront to minimize any
conflicts that come with the Village rules versus individual homeowner
association covenant rules. It is not without some pitfalls. If there would be a
push to eliminate fences, there would be a push back by those who have fences
because it would put them in a category of what would that do to their existing
fence. All of the existing fences in Oak Brook would fall into a gray area.
Member Nimry questioned whether the 42-inch fence originally adopted by the
Village was intentional in order to make it difficult to put up a fence.
Member Young suggested that the ASTM_regulation be added to sport fences.
Member Young questioned dog runs and he questioned a definition for a dog
run and the encouragement of barking dogs. There was a brief discussion
regarding dog runs.
Director of Community Development Kallien noted that the Village does not
allow someone to treat their entire yard as a dog run and barking dogs would be
a police issue. The members agreed to include a definition for dog runs.
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Chairman Davis polled the board on the options contained in the Staff
memorandum.
Five members would favor maintaining the 42-inch high fence and two
members would approve the increase to the 48-inch height stating that they did
not see a big change in allowing an additional 6 inches to a fence and it would
save the homeowners money.
Under chain link fence requirements it was agreed to allow them around
subdivisions provided that vegetation is provided on both sides of the fence to
provide screening of the fence.
It was also agreed to revise the finish side of the fence to read as follows: If
there is only one finished side, the finished side of the fence must face to the
outside.
Motion by Member Nimry, seconded by Member Young to continue the
hearing on the amendment to the Fence Regulations to the next regular meeting.
VOICE VOTE: Motion carried
6. OTHER BUSINESS OTHER BUSINESS
There was no other business to discuss.
7. ADJOURNMENT: ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Chairman Davis, seconded by Member Young to adjourn the
meeting at 8:10 p.m. VOICE VOTE: Motion carried
ATTEST:
/s/Robert L. Kallien, Jr.
Director of Community Development
Secretary
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